Thursday, June 01, 2006

Peggy Noonan of All People Thinks It May Be Time for a 3rd Party

Her piece is here.

There gets to be a point when no amount of "the other guy's worse" logic will be compelling to the average voter.

This is where I believe Mr. DeWine has placed himself with his immigration sellout (and I'm not forgetting that Voinovich was with him).

If Mike DeWine can't come up with a good list of reasons for people to vote FOR him, and not AGAINST Brown, he will be in big trouble.


Anonymous said...

The problem is that a Republican defection to a third party results in Democrats winning elections. "The other guy is worse" really is a good reason to go with your guy. You're not going to agree with Candidate X on every issue, but surely it's far better to vote for Candidate X because you agree with him on 5 out of 10 issues than Candidate Y, whom you only agree with on 1? Obviously your ideal candidate would be 8 or 9 out of ten, but you just won't see that very often.

John Podhoretz has responded to Noonan's column on NRO's Corner:

In my book, Can She Be Stopped?, I specifically warn Republicans and conservatives about the temptation to listen to the "siren song of schism" — the notion that they would be better off casting a protest or third-party vote in 2008. Such a vote, no matter how principled it might seem, would have only one result, and that is to elect Hillary Clinton. It is a default vote for Hillary Clinton. I wrote those words in October 2005, but I did not anticipate the degree to which they might be true only weeks after the publication of my book in 2006. Today,Peggy Noonan offers the first sustained version of the siren song of schism almost to the note.

Even though she suggests those who might join a third party would come from both sides of the aisle, any cold-eyed observer of political trends would have to look at the correlation of forces at the moment and determine that there is no earthly reason why a resurgent Democratic Party, a party that managed to drum up 59 million votes for John Kerry of all people in 2004, would actually lose votes and voters between now and then — especially since it has the ability to blame all the woes of the world on the GOP. The notion of a vital and successful third party is a pipe dream. We've existed with the two parties we have through the Civil War, major depressions in the 1890s and 1930s, world wars, Vietnam and the civil-rights era. They will be with us for a long time still.

If people cannot stomach voting Republican and need to cast a protest vote, that is their right. But nobody should be under any illusions about what it means. It means Democratic rule.

BizzyBlog said...

I appreciate your point, but here's mine:

- There should be vigorous primary campaigns with challengers who get attention and visibility and not the back of the hand from the party establishment and the statewide media.

- As long as our guys and gals get handpicked by the ORP and feel beholden to them as opposed to grass-roots voters, we will almost always be choosing between the lesser of two evils. This is unacceptable.

The one obvious exception this time around is Blackwell, who is as close to core conservative values as anyone in Ohio in my lifetime. Guess what? He ran without the blessing of the ORP in a contested primary. And he will win, mostly because he's Ken, not because he isn't Ted.

NixGuy said...

I am 70% on John Podhoretz's side in this debate.

But the other 30% side of me is really making rational arguments like this:

we have a 5 senator lead right now, wouldn't it be worth it to throw one of those senators overboard to put the fear of God in the other 54? couldn't we rally the conservative troops into nominating which one of our senators to take out our anger on? I nominate DeWine!

This is just my minority angry side speaking out. don't mind him, he's crazy...